GO! Smell our rejected manuscript!

February 29th, 2008 by Jim

Well what a week it’s been with the lively GO!ngs on in the garden with a new look, new visitors and our first rejection note from an Agency in London after they considered our his n her book, GO! Smell the flowers. Here’s what landed in our inbox earlier after 4 weeks of waiting and finger tapping, as they smelled our written flowers, hopeful that they’d take us on in the first bite:

Sorry I missed your call today and thanks for the prompt. I’d been meaning to write to you this week.

I’m very sorry to say that I’m not going to be the right agent for you. As much as I personally enjoyed reading your submission – I’m afraid that with my tough agent specs on it doesn’t work for me. I take on very few projects per year – 2 or 3 and so I have to feel totally convinced before offering to represent someone.

The Pease’s are a great endorsement; the title you’ve chosen is appealing (and would appeal to a US market I think also) – although it would benefit from a tagline; your writing style is clear and honest and readable.

Books are a subjective business and I’m sure you’ll find interest from another agency. I do wish you very good luck.

Will you collect the ms to send to you or would you like us to recycle it here?

Recycling wasn’t an option we’d considered but hey, if JK Rowling had 49 rejections then we’ve still got someway to GO! Our tagline  ‘One journey, many discoveries’ appeared not to have been clear, talk about a kick in the flowers. ;-)

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 SO, onwards & upwards as we scour the wirters and agents year book with that clear sense of direction and relentless pursuit of becoming published authors as we stand out from the crowd:

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 We dust ourselves down, we move on we continue to smell. Has anyone else had that sinking feeling of rejection lately, do tell! Group hugs welcomed.

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46 Comments »

Comment by Arvind
2008-02-29 21:24:42

With what you are building here at Flowers, your book can only be a huge success :-)

Let that email be a reminder for that agent to one day remember what he / she turned down!

 
Comment by RYK
2008-02-29 22:56:13

I hate these kind of soulless and useless rejections, which provide no feedback and no guidance on what is to be done next. In my world, the Internet, which is filled with VCs, I keep coming across entrepreneurs who receive this kind of soulless rejection, which typically goes as follows:

I am sorry I took so long to get back to you (this is normally after 72 hrs) and I would like to thank you for your patience (sorry and thank you in same opening sentence). We find that your project is currently differently aligned with our business objectives (notice the lack of negative words) and we encourage you to meet with other groups (not firms, but groups) who would like to explore this venture.

Regards,
so and so VC, Wharton & Harvard

after that if anyone writes to them they just don’t reply !

this is extremely detrimental to the entire ecosystem where budding entrepreneurs need feedback and guidance on what to do next, what to fix, etc etc.

what I find even more disappointing about this is that even the highest caliber individuals with track record of success are meted out this standard reply.

No worries Jim n Em, Google was rejected for FIVE YEARS before someone hit the “I believe” button. Your book will be published, it just a question of running through the morons till you get to the right people.

 
Comment by Bridget Jones
2008-02-29 23:42:55

Sorry about your news Jem. Must have been a big disappointment, but hey, as the great Corneille says, “A vaincre sans peril, on triomphe sans gloire”. Success is more satisfying when you have to struggle to achieve it. So upwards and onwards!

Oh, btw, I beg to disagree with RYK when he qualifies the rejection letter you received as being soulless and useless, without feedback and guidance.

I think the London Agency has provided a certain amount of feedback and guidance.

What they found good: “your writing style is clear and honest and readable”, “appealing title”
Suggestions for improvement: ” although it would benefit from a tagline”
Guidance: “would appeal to a US market I think”

A bit of a difference from the typical rejection letter RYK quotes methinks! I would certainly not qualify Agencies that five feedback as morons. Whatever happened to being open to constructive criticism? :))

Comment by RYK
2008-03-01 01:15:54

taking what the agent said as advise/feedback is scraping the bottom of the barrel !

Comment by Jim & Em
2008-03-01 09:43:49

Hmmm,

BJ has a piint - at least it’s feedback but the ’shall we recycle’ quip hurt a little ;-)

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2008-03-01 12:47:27

As eco-warriors i would have thought that the recycle comment should appeal to you

Comment by RYK
2008-03-01 18:52:18

only after the book has been read by everyone :)

 
Comment by Bridget Jones
2008-03-01 21:40:34

OUCH! lol

 
 
 
Comment by Bridget Jones
2008-03-01 21:39:58

LOL RYK, it’s clutching at straws a tad I have to admit ha! ;)

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Comment by Mighty Morgan
2008-03-01 00:57:28

Well…back to the old drawing board I suppose. But keep in mind that the more you push forward through the “No’s” the closer you will be getting to the person that will say “Yes”. I have complete confidence and faith in what you do and when the time is right….opportunity with greet circumstance with a warm handshake and the book deal!

Mighty Morgan’s last blog post..Merry Go Round

Comment by Jim & Em
2008-03-01 09:57:57

THat’s the plan mighty!

 
 
Comment by Mr. Grudge
2008-03-01 02:05:58

Chin up, Flowers! There are plenty more literary agents out there looking for quality work. you believe in your project so you need to find someone to believe in what you do. perseverance is the key. I have not given up, and I will not give up. In fact, every time I write I strive for the best performance possible (except when commenting on blog posts, then I get sloppy, lol). You will get published as so much of what is done in publishing is arbitrary and capricious. Someone will recognize your excellent work and your huge, loyal audience. Chin up, friends!
-Mike (M2)

Mr. Grudge’s last blog post..A ?Now? Fangled Story

 
Comment by Jonathan
2008-03-01 02:25:18

Hi Guys! Keep the Flower’s faith - we smell success around the corner.

As Spock said “There are always possibilities”

and a personal favourite (often quoted) - “Clouds come from time to time and bring to men a chance to rest from looking at the moon”

We’re seriously ready to wop some publisher ass (as our american cousins would say)

Jonathan.

Jonathan’s last blog post..Call Centre Bloopers

Comment by Bridget Jones
2008-03-01 21:42:25

Jo, with the kind of support you’re giving the guys here “there are always possibilities”, I reckon you could join the group of publishers RYK is talking about mate! ;)

Comment by Jonathan
2008-03-02 00:25:01

ha ha Bridj’ - actually I just thought of another ‘pearl of wisdom’ to share….as my old business advertising sales colleague used to say after being blown out on a cold call “a no is just a request for more information”.

I still quote it occasionally.

Get right back on that horse guys (jim and em’) looking forward to walking into my local book shop and seeing it on the shelves (or should that be on amazon?)

Jonathan

Jonathan’s last blog post..Call Centre Bloopers

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Comment by Paul Burman Subscribed to comments via email
2008-03-01 02:51:13

Commiserations, Jim and Em. Coincidentally my last post was on the very subject of rejection slips, and there’s an old Peanuts cartoon there that might lighten the dismay and give you a chuckle. Jon Haylett (who was recently published with ‘Cry of the Justice Bird’) copped 242 rejection slips before getting published, but then Gary Davison (’Fat Tuesday’) got lucky very early on. I still believe that, even if the writing is superb and the proposal marketable, that a large part of the process comes down to timing: the MS arriving on the right desk at the right time. All a matter of serendipity. Which means aspiring writers have to bounce back, print off another copy and send it out to someone else. I wish you both the very best of luck with this.

Paul Burman’s last blog post..In The Wilderness

Comment by Jim & Em
2008-03-01 09:43:04

Cheers Paul,

Great article and thanks for dropping by….

 
 
Comment by Anonymous
2008-03-01 02:51:27

Guys perspective required ….

Most people get a standard rejection letter, which most of the letter to you is ,in that they are using standard phrases etc that they would say to everyone.

However …

When they say, your style is clear etc - all that bit is personal feedback, that the agent would not bother with most of the time, but is put in if an agent thinks your book merits a personal response.

So, I know it doesn’t sound like much a few lines, but believe me that little bit is an indication that the book has impressed him enough to comment.

Be encouraged and keep going!

Comment by mike
2008-03-01 11:01:10

Whoops that was my comment sorry guys

Mike

mike’s last blog post..Mike Interviews: Paul Torday part 2 of 2

 
 
Comment by Marvin
2008-03-01 02:55:06

Getting published is always a chore and for some reason it seems to take both luck and persistence to hit the right combination of agent publisher, editor and market timing. Many the stars all have to line up just right or something unique in the universe. There are so many stories of authors struggling to get a work published, then it becoming a huge hit, that one must wonder exactly what criteria by which manuscripts are evaluated. One must wonder if the readers used by publishers don’t have such a narrow focus or specific bias that they can’t often see the forest for the trees. Good luck with your future submissions

Marvin’s last blog post..Read What I wrote on Helium

Comment by Jim & Em
2008-03-01 19:18:33

Cheers Marvin and welcome to flowers!

 
 
Comment by JJ Loch
2008-03-01 03:48:50

{{{HUGS}}} for the R but WOOT for the submission.

I’ve had a few R’s but will submit a new ms shortly. I’ve heard you should write a million words before you submit because it takes that long to iron out the kinks.

Some score sooner.

But most of us love to write and can’t help ourselves. So we dig in until we make it. :D

GOOOOOO Smell the Flowers!!!

You can do it!!!

Hugs, JJ

Comment by Jim & Em
2008-03-01 09:56:08

Cheers JJ!

 
 
Comment by aussiecynic
2008-03-01 05:21:12

Hi guys and yep disappointment all round

However i hope this makes you feel better…
JK Rowling was rejected as you until Bloomsbury said hmmmm this could be interesting Imagine how those Publishers are feeling Now..
The Beatles had rejection from record Companies
So I reckon you guys are in pretty good company… there are loads of others who’s work was rejected intially by people with little vision and a lack of inspiration …..
Just keep putting it out there and it will come … after one rejection is just one less step to the one who will publish it….
:)
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Comment by GarethinChina
2008-03-01 07:34:37

Christ almighty. Shall I go and spark up REM or the Carpenters, grab the rope and a chair and really finish the job off.

How many job applications do people write on average before getting a job? Generally more than one. Perspective.

Comment by Jim & Em
2008-03-01 09:56:40

:-) Just sharing progress as we GO! GIC, no downers just reality….

 
 
Comment by Rufus
2008-03-01 07:51:13

In the words of Winston Churchill — “Never Never Never Quit”.

Rufus’s last blog post..FFI & This is not the Bucket List

 
Comment by Jim & Em
2008-03-01 09:10:33

Many thanks guys (and gals of course) your support is uplifting and very motivating. It is tempting (for about 30 seconds) to say ‘oh well I tried” but with your belief and comments we will be pulling the agent’s book off the shelf and contact the next one we have got ear marked. We know we will get published, that is not in question. We also know that it is a numbers game until we find ‘our’ agent of publisher.

Interesting point RYK about giving feedback. They have turned that into a business now and if you want any feedback or critique of the manuscript, you have to pay for it!

We will never give up on getting this published, in fact this has made us widen our scope to include finding a publisher in America too (let’s just hope they find ‘the’ America map funny!!!

 
2008-03-01 09:52:37

Clearly you didn’t take on board the comments i made in my valuable review of the draft

Comment by Jim & Em
2008-03-01 09:57:17

OH we did oh Angry one - just gotta hit the right desk!

 
 
Comment by Albert Grande
2008-03-01 12:31:40

Hang in there. This is just a small bump in the road of life.
I appreciate your positive attitude. I’m sure there is a literary agent out there for you.
Onward and upward!
Regards,
albert grande

Albert Grande’s last blog post..Rob Toth and The 2-Tier Traffic Affiliate Program

Comment by Jim & Em
2008-03-01 13:11:32

Cheers albert & welcome to flowers, checking out your blog right now!

 
 
Comment by Lib
2008-03-01 13:29:49

Bollocks to um.

Their loss.

 
Comment by Jim & Em
2008-03-01 13:36:40

Well we wouldn’t it quite like that as Brand has to fit brand and anyway we’re busy getting remotivated today…

LETS HAVE IT.

Comment by angesbiz
2008-03-01 15:32:12

I love that little cartoon you put in up there. Very cute!

As far as the rejection goes, it’s only a matter of time before someone brilliant picks it up and publishes it for you. Rejections are not easy to swallow. I have had them too and it’s easy to get down and feel like nobody loves you and what’s the point. “Never Ever Quit” is a great motto to have and it is one that I have taken on recently. Whoever that first agent you went to is, clearly they are not for your Flowers book. GO! find the right agent… they are waiting for you ;)
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Comment by Jim & Em
2008-03-01 19:19:49

Cheers buzzing….on we GO!

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Comment by RYK
2008-03-02 01:05:08

“new beginner luck” I love this video, brings back so many memories what a great movie.

 
 
Comment by Taylor Blue
2008-03-01 18:13:09

Don’t worry about that rejection. I know how it is…before I wrote online I was rejected all the time. I was told to hang them up to prove that you did something. You actually sent in a manuscript…that is a big thing. !!!! You’ll get it…Stephen King was rejected hundreds and hundreds of times and look at him!

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Comment by Jim & Em
2008-03-02 10:54:00

Cheers TB!

 
 
Comment by expat inspirer
2008-03-01 18:32:23

I think you did well to get so far:

you got out of the slush pile
you were read by a real agent not just a reader
they asked for a complete MSS
you actually spoke to them
you received a personal rejection letter

that is WAY better than many get who:
stay in the slush pile
are read by a GAP year student, who doesn’t know a thing about your topic so never passes on your idea
who get a standard rejection letter
never speak to anyone

I say, well done, and in the words of Tony Blair (prefer Winston Churchil, but someone said that already) Things Can Only Get Better

Be proud

Comment by Jim & Em
2008-03-02 10:54:38

Thanks for the perspective Expat Inspirer!

Comment by Taylor Blue
2008-03-04 00:09:18

What have we been saying lately Jem?? Onwards and upwards!!

Taylor Blue’s last blog post..Emzy.Collins Has An Announcement!

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Comment by Urban Pagan
2008-03-02 00:36:15

unlucky

not everyone can write stuff

I’d give up now- as realistically its over 2 years old and nobody is that bothered. no shame in that. just move on.

Comment by Jim & Em
2008-03-02 10:55:39

The manuscript is 3 months old Urban - we started writing up the journals 18 months aGO!

 
 
2008-03-02 14:42:46

Did the agent also say that he/she had already read a very similar manuscript submitted 8 months ago by a brilliant new writer based in the northwest of England.
I think you’ll find that you get a similar response from over 150 UK based agents available in the Yellow Pages
The manuscript was entitled Go! Pick the flowers - Many journeys, one discovery

Comment by Jim & Em
2008-03-02 20:21:54

SO that’s were your copy ended up.

Oh dear.

 
 
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